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According to Hoynes:

Luis Ortiz was placed on leave on July 3. His investigation was supposed to end on July 17 but was extended to Aug. 31 to match Clase’s. “It’s believed MLB’s investigation into Ortiz uncovered information about Clase that led to him being removed from the active roster.

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On the theory that the Guardians have to trade someone the rumor mongers are now suggesting:
Santana is too old and too much past his prime to be tradeable
So, Bieber could be moved like Cobb was to Cleveland last summer [netting the Giants an impressive 18 year old pitcher from Cleveland]
And since Sewald is on the IL. and Thomas is on the IL, there's no one anyone might conceivably want
ERGO: Cleveland must be offering Kwan.
They'd better not be. He's one of only a handful of long-term pieces for a remotely potential contender.

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Just my worthless opinion on the Bieber trade for Khal Stephen.

Realistically this is a free player for Cleveland. They are out of it. Bieber was not going to pick up his option. So realistically his salary was all they paid for him and that now gets us a very good prospect.



The price reflects that, too, as the Blue Jays have sent their No. 5 prospect, Khal Stephen, to the Guardians in the deal, one of their breakout pitchers in 2025.

TRADE DETAILS
Blue Jays get: RHP Shane Bieber
Guardians get: RHP Khal Stephen (No. 5 prospect, set to become CLE No. 7)


When Bieber’s been healthy, he has been one of the best starters in Major League Baseball and picked up that Cy Young Award in the shortened 2020 season with a 1.63 ERA over 77 1/3 innings. He’s done it over full seasons, too, including a spectacular ‘22 in which he gave the Guardians a 2.88 ERA over an even 200 innings.

This is what the Blue Jays are hoping to capture here, and it only gets more interesting when you consider Bieber’s player option for 2026 is worth $16 million. A strong finish could make free agency awfully attractive for Bieber, but if there’s a way for the Blue Jays to keep him around, either via that player option or with an extension -- similar to what happened after they dealt for José Berríos in 2021 -- then this deal really gets exciting.

In the moment, though, the immediate upside is obvious. If the Blue Jays were to deal for a starting pitcher, the only logical moves were ones that landed them an arm who has the potential to start legitimate postseason games. The Blue Jays have solid depth through their current starting five, but this Trade Deadline has been all about raising their ceiling and Bieber represents that in every way. Reports out of his rehab starts have been encouraging, too, and he should only need a couple more before returning to the big leagues.
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain

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Writeup on Stephen:

Scouting grades: Fastball: 55 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 55 | Overall: 50

Stephen started out as a back-end reliever with Purdue as a freshman, then developed into the Boilermakers' No. 1 starter as a sophomore. After a nice showing in the Cape Cod League, Stephen transferred to Mississippi State, where he posted a 3.28 ERA with 107 strikeouts and 21 walks in 96 innings. He signed with the Blue Jays for a below-slot $1,116,750 as a second-rounder, then raced to Double-A midway through his pro debut this year before getting traded to the Guardians for Shane Bieber.

While Stephen's fastball operates at 92-94 mph and touches 96, it's most notable for natural carry that allows it to miss more than its share of bats. It plays well in tandem with a mid-80s changeup that features significant fade. His low-80s slider also misses bats, giving him a third solid offering, and he'll occasionally mix in a decent upper-70s curveball.

Stephen has a physical 6-foot-4 frame, has added strength since turning pro and works with an athletic delivery that provides plenty of strikes. He has good feel for all four of his pitches and commands his fastball well. He may lack a true plus offering, but he has a high floor as at least a No. 4 starter and early returns indicate he may be better than that.
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain

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I am still concerned that they are eagerly trying to trade Kwan which is stupid
However the Bieber trade looks pretty good: we traded Bieber for prospective Bieber-like starter. Excellent control; moving quickly in his first year in the minors; the kind of pitcher Cleveland can often improve enough to raise his profile from a 5th starer to a middle of the rotation guy,

The reviewers at the Athletic give Cleveland an A. One "expert" listed Stephen at Number 80 on his top 100. BA ranked him 5 on their midseason Toronto top 10. Keith Law preseason had him 9. MLB.com has quickly slipped him at No. 7 on Cleveland's list which makes him the highest ranked pitcher. He could easily be higher on the G's list with DeLauter and Chourio ahead of him having achieved little this year