How many ways can you lose ballgames? We seem to be pulling them out of the hat.

Hate to say it, but i've lost complete confidence in clase. Not all his fault. Fickle finger of fate cost us this one.

Glaring weeknesses with our position players is starting to show. We have Ramirez and Kwan, i guess Santana and a bunch of not so ready for the major leagues players down on the farm.

We seem to hit minor leavue pitching pretty well but hitting major league pitching is another story.

The veteran ptesence has been a bust.

Really don't know where to go from here.

Pitching is still a strength. Can't win if you can't score.

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Mark, I find it funny that the 2 optimists are at a loss for words about what is going on with this organization. Every day it seems I just become more frustrated by the lack of action. I am really concerned that Vogt is in over his head and has ruined the confidence of some of the players by this constant tinkering with the lineup.

Yes!

I always remind myself that last season was a completely freakish one. That bullpen was historically good.

Now they are burned out and regressing to the mean where they belong. So while he gets how to handle a bullpen he needs to dial back the platooning.

IF I remember correctly they are either #1 or near the top in platooning. And near the bottom on offense. Hmmmm

I think they are in danger of screwing Manzo up. The guy came up with a nice process now he swings for the fences all day. Yuck!

Manzardo and DeLauter are best friends so I think Manzardo will come around if they allow him to play.

Does anyone think that we might have a hitting COACH problem? Kwan and Jose are probably the only 2 that do not need coaching. Last year the situational, hitting was pretty good, this year, not so much.

Possible. I think the players are the big problem but Vogt is not helping with his style of managing. Last night Nolan Jones came up in the 7th inning with 2 outs and no one on base. The Guardians were winning by 2 runs, there was a left handed relief pitcher and Jones had 2 hits and had walked in 3 previous at bats. So Vogt decides to pinch hit RH hitting Will Wilson. WHY ??????? Do you think that Vogt wished he had Jones when the Astros came back to tie the game ?

Just way too much tinkering !

One of the few things we can agree on, Rusty. I had the very same thoughts concerning Jones. I'm hoping he's turned the corner.

I don't think its the hitting coach. Dennis. It's pitch selection and hand/eye coordination in my opinion. Thats something your not going teach.

I haven't seen a lot of games but i watch the "live" games on MLB. The strike zone box is quite revealing for both batter and pitcher.

I figure if we play 700 ball the rest of rhe way, we have a chance at a wild card spot. Hopefully. Bieber can help take up the slack Ortiz left behind. Maybe Means could even be a factor down the stretch.

Closing out this first half on a positive note would be a big thing. Go Guards!

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One of the few things we can agree on, Rusty.

Let's keep it that way. You can continue to be wrong most of the time !