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Manny Acta had nothing to do with today's win. Just as he has nothing to do with 99% of the Tribe's wins and losses. Players play and players win and lose games.

Maybe Dolan could save a bit of money then and have a player-manager as soon as Acta's contract is up.

VT'er wrote:Maybe Dolan could save a bit of money then and have a player-manager as soon as Acta's contract is up.

Omar?

How much is Acta being paid? I don't want to see his rotten butt next year.

seagull wrote:Manny Acta had nothing to do with today's win. Just as he has nothing to do with 99% of the Tribe's wins and losses. Players play and players win and lose games.

How could this be true ? Under Wedge the players won every game and Wedge lost every game they lost. Either we have some hypocrites or there is some explaining to do.

You are all aware, aren't you, that the Indians have never won a World Series without a player manager.

"How could this be true ? Under Wedge the players won every game and Wedge lost every game they lost. Either we have some hypocrites or there is some explaining to do. "

Rusty- I gave Wedge 4 years before I became convinced of his inadequacies. You obviously have a shorter fuse than me since you could not wait that long for Acta.

That is my explanation.

But I gave Shapiro about 7 years, what a mistake that was.

Lou, I must have missed the 4 year restraint. As far as Acta how can I restrain myself when the team actually quits on their manager 2 years in a row ?

by rusty2 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:36 pm

Lou, I must have missed the 4 year restraint. As far as Acta how can I restrain myself when the team actually quits on their manager 2 years in a row ?

Closer Chris Perez defends Tribe's effort and manager

Published: Wednesday, August 08, 2012, 11:54 AM

Updated: Wednesday, August 08, 2012, 2:32 PM

By Paul Hoynes, The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio. --

The Indians entered Wednesday's game one defeat away from tying the franchise record for consecutive losses. Yeah, you may have noticed that little 11-game losing streak they've been on.

Closer Chris Perez, charged with defeats No.9 and No.11, says the team hasn't quit.

"It stinks. Losing stinks," said Perez, "but we're not quitting. There's no quitting. It looks like it sometimes, but when it rains it pours, honestly."

Every little thing that can be magnified is being magnified. How many times during a year is there an error made with two out? You go whatever and you get out of it with the next pitch.

"But we do it and they go on and score eight runs. You don't see that kind of stuff. It's head scratching. It really is."

In Monday's 14-3 loss, the Twins took a 2-1 lead on consecutive homers by Josh Willingham and Justin Morneau in the second inning. Zach McAllister came back to retire the next two batters. When Denard Span sent a grounder to second, the inning should have been over, but Jason Kipnis' throw to first pulled Carlos Santana off first base.

The Twins went on to score eight more runs in the inning.

"On every game, you could pick someone different to blame," Perez. "It's not just one guy who is continually messing up. It's a cancer almost. It's not a mindset. It's just out there. Everyone is still coming early and doing their work. It's hard."

As the losses have mounted, so has the public's unhappiness with manager Manny Acta. The Indians were 50-49 and 3 1/2 games out of first place in the AL Central on July 26. They went into Wednesday's game at 50-60 and 10 1/2 games out of first.

Perez says Acta isn't to blame.

"Is he out there doing it?" said Perez. "It's the same team that everybody was praising Manny for in April, May and June.

"We're not losing because of him. We're the one making the plays, making the bad pitches, making the errors, walking guys. We're the ones doing that, not Manny. We're the same guys, same team, same players."

Rusty- I was an early supporter of Wedge and the early posts documented it. I spoke highly of his reported motivational skills and speaking ability with the players. Thought it was a positive change from the layed back attitudes of the human rain delay and Charlie (though I do admit my southern background liked certain aspects of Ol' Charlie).

Wedge took quite a while to get under my skin. The Jury is still out on Acta but I was excited to get rid of Eric and admit to being, as a result, perhaps too Acta friendly. Time will tell. So far my only real complaint about Acta is that he seems to keep starters doing poorly in a bit too long.

Hope this sets the record straight for you.

I gotta get back to the DR and have him check my meds....cause I swear to god I'm seeing Indans 6, Twins 2....and the chatter here is that we actually won.

So if they rip off an 11 game winning streak now will be back into it?

Don't stop taking your meds.

joez wrote:I think Rusty has some explaining to do

Joe, I got no explaining to do you. I don't give a shit about what crybaby Perez says. The team has quit on no Acta. If you can't see it I am not surprised.