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Chisenhall racked up his 10th error on the year.

Manny's had enough of Huff. We trail, 7-4, top of 3rd.

Make it 11-4...
Durbin gives up a granny to Carp.

They really should give every fan who showed up today tix for another game.

Astonishing that the M's scored 11 runs (game only in the 6th) with that lineup !?!?!?

As far as I'm concerned, there are at least 3 spots open for the pitching staff next year. I never have liked Durbin or Herrmann. I thought Huff had possiblities. I think I'll pass on Huff also.

Sheesh, what a horror show. We can't even play competitively against Seattle, much less beat them.

That's it, I'm convinced now. Wedge IS a better manager than Acta.

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ACab's homer

Spots open on the 2012 pitching staff:

Starters after Jiminez, Masterson and Tomlin. Gomez has a very good chance. Unfortunatley Carmona will probably be back, although not opening day starter this time.

Bullpen: Chris Perez is replaceable but probably returns. Pestano and Smith are sure things. I;d not be surprised if one of the lefties is traded, Sipp gives up way too many homers for a late inning reliever. Durbin is a sure thing to be gone. Herrmann is a 12th man on the staff; he could win the job again, but Lee has an excellent chance to fit in her somewhere and Judy, Putnam and Hagadone despite not marvelous debuts all have solid chances for 2012.

Mariners defeat Indians, 12-6; game called after 7

Published: Monday, September 19, 2011, 7:23 PM Updated: Monday, September 19, 2011, 7:27 PM
By Dennis Manoloff, The Plain Dealer

CLEVELANd, Ohio -- The Mariners have offensive issues -- except when they face the Indians at Progressive Field.

Eric Wedge's grinders kept the train moving Monday, amassing 11 hits in a 12-6 victory in seven wet innings.

Paid attendance for the makeup from a postponement May 15 was 15,354. If there were 354 in the seats by first pitch at 4:06 p.m., they fooled those counting.

A long day for the Indians got even longer at 6:33 p.m., when umpire Jeff Nelson signaled for the tarp as the Tribe prepared to take the field for the top of the eighth.

The game was called at 7:17.

The Mariners (64-89) lost the season series, 5-4, but went 4-2 in Cleveland. In the six road games, they batted a combined .300-plus with 26 extra-base hits and 45 runs.

Seattle entered Monday ranked last in the American League -- by plenty -- in average (.233) and runs (517).

The Indians, having revised their goals to finishing second in the AL Central and/or above .500, slipped to 75-76. They were coming off a three-game sweep of the Twins in Minneapolis.

Seattle erased deficits of 3-0 after one inning and 4-2 after two. A nine-run third provided plenty of breathing room.

With one out in the bottom of the first, Jason Donald singled to left in a mist. As rain fell harder, Asdrubal Cabrera hit lefty Charlie Furbush's first pitch over the left-field wall for his 23rd homer.

Moments later, Carlos Santana homered to left. Santana's 26th long ball set the club record for a switch-hitter, eclipsing Victor Martinez's mark from 2007.

Seattle scored twice in the second. Third baseman Alex Liddi lifted a curveball from lefty David Huff over the left-field wall for a two-run homer.

Cabrera made it 4-2 in the bottom of the inning when he doubled to drive in Donald, who had singled.
The Mariners' game-changing third began when Luis Rodriguez grounded to the left of third baseman Lonnie Chisenhall, who failed to field it cleanly and was charged with an error. Rodriguez scored on Mike Carp's double to left-center. Carp was just getting warmed up.

With one out, Kyle Seager delivered an RBI single to center. During the Mariners' visit in late August, Seager went 10-for-13 with five doubles and one homer in three games.

Later in the inning, Trayvon Robinson grounded a two-run single up the middle with the bases loaded. Center fielder Grady Sizemore picked up the ball in shallow center but had no shot to get trailer Wily Mo Pena.

Ichiro Suzuki flipped a two-out double down the left-field line for an RBI. Indians manager Manny Acta hooked Huff for Chad Durbin.

With the bases loaded, Carp hit a rocket into what used to be known as Pronkville to cap the nine-run outburst. Carp's homer traveled an estimated 455 feet.

Furbush struck out the final two batters of the third, the side in the fourth and the first batter in the fifth.
Cabrera snapped the streak with a single to center. Santana doubled into the right-field corner, Cabrera stopping at third. Travis Hafner kept the hands back and poked an off-speed pitch into the hole at second for a two-run single. Shelley Duncan flied to deep left-center and Sizemore grounded to second.

Seattle strung three one-out singles against Frank Herrmann in the sixth to score once.
Furbush was relieved by right-hander Josh Lueke to begin the sixth.

Trevor Crowe replaced Sizemore in center to open the seventh.

Spots open on the 2012 pitching staff:

Jeremy Guthrie signed a one year deal with Baltimore earlier this season. I think he's a free agent when the season ends and I'd like to see the Indians make an offer to get him back in Cleveland.

As you know, I hated to see him leave here in the first place. He was Baltimore's ace the past five years in the tough eastern division.

Guthrie worked at least six innings in 28 starts in 2010, including 11 straight from July 17-Sept. 11. In his first four seasons with Baltimore, Guthrie was 38-48 with a 4.06 ERA in 121 starts. Guthrie is 9-17 with a 4.2 ERA in 31 starts this year. Another 200 inning pitched season. His salary this year was $5.75. The won and loss records doesn't look too good on paper, but considering the ERA vs the record, and Guthrie has been a good pitcher over the past five years.

Guthrie has another 200 innings pitched this year, Masterson is over 200 innings, Ubaldo Jimenez is a 200 inning pitcher, and Carmona has reached the 200 inning mark one time in the past 3 season. I can only imagine the wear and tear saved in the bullpen with a full season of Jimenez and hopefully Jeremy Guthrie.

There was some stuff in the papers that we were interested in Guthrie prior to the deal we made for Jimenez. I'd like to see the pursuit continue. I really don't care where he starts in the rotation, most likely behind Masterson. A starting rotation with Jimenez, Masterson, Guthrie, Carmona, and Tomlin/Talbot is very appealing to me.

Guthrie, coupled with a solid right hand hitting outfielder is on my off season wish list. I'd also like to see a deal made for another catcher. LaPorta out and Santana would be our regular at first base. The last thing we need right now is another plate incident involving Santana.

All indications are that the Indians plan on having Santana as their primary catcher for 2012 and adding a more offensive first baseman.

Maybe we could bring back Josh Bard?

adding a more offensive first baseman

There's a "Major League" reference in there somewhere.