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seagull wrote:Harry Callahan didn't need 7 shots.
Harry Callahan: I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire six shots or only five'? Well to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, i kind of lost track myself. But being that this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do ya, punk?
Speaking of Clint Eastwood and Harry Callahan, this past Sunday night my wife and I were searching our video library for selections we haven't often viewed.

My wife pulled out a 3 movie Clint Eastwood DVD box I had forgotten I purchased in the past.

She announced that she didn't think we had ever watched "The Rookie" together.

I was halfway paying attention and told her we had both watched the Dennis Quaid, "The Rookie."

She said excitedly, "no, this is Charlie Sheen and Clint Eastwood in a different The Rookie!"

I got excited too, and said "set it up!"

I can't exactly say it was not a good movie, but I can sort of say it.

I did enjoy the overt hokiness.

My take away is that I did visit the gun range and chatted about gun purchases today.

Subliminal messaging, I suppose.

"Got a light?"

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For the record, I submitted my law abiding finger prints, I demonstrated my prowess at the range, and I have my concealed weapons permit.

I'm all for background checks for gun ownership, and gun carry.

I really do not understand why anyone would not agree.


I'm also for a "cooling off" period of up to 72 hours to take possession of a purchased gun. If anyone insists they need a gun quicker than that, I am suspect on their motivations and intent.

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George Zimmerman was decided "not guilty" in the trial tonight.

It was a tough decision, that the jury had.

I have a concealed weapons permit, and know the law regarding such strip clubs and dining establishments I can legally carry into, and how far I might have to sit from the bar if armed when I might attend.

George Zimmerman trampled like an ape over every letter of Florida Concealed Weapons law and he pissed me off for that.

That said, I believe his ultimate story of self defense as he is seemingly not that bright of a guy just locked in a hand to hand battle on the ground in a place he should not have been in before he took the kid's life.

Guns Are Not For Fun.

I won a couple safety posters for such a slogan in elementary school.

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Tribe Fan in SC/Cali wrote:
George Zimmerman trampled like an ape over every letter of Florida Concealed Weapons law and he pissed me off for that.
He was not in a restaurant, bar, or stripclub. Pray tell, what CCW law did he "trample like an ape" over?

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Darkstar wrote:
Tribe Fan in SC/Cali wrote:
George Zimmerman trampled like an ape over every letter of Florida Concealed Weapons law and he pissed me off for that.
He was not in a restaurant, bar, or stripclub. Pray tell, what CCW law did he "trample like an ape" over?
Zimmerman was given the opportunity and advice to disengage by law enforcement dispatchers to protect his own life, with "assurance" fully certified law enforcement professionals were on the way.

Concealed weapons laws at least in this state do not permit "cowboy" intervening weapons firing when one concealed weapons permit holder might judge he is protecting his community, when none in his community is present. A concealed weapons holder cannot be aggressive in enforcement of elements of law, unless one feels he/she is the best and only one to save himself/herself, or to save others at possible harm.

Zimmerman could have backed out, and gone home. He did not, and his decision brought him one on one with the perp.

And the rest is history.

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Tribe Fan in SC/Cali wrote:
Darkstar wrote:
Tribe Fan in SC/Cali wrote:
George Zimmerman trampled like an ape over every letter of Florida Concealed Weapons law and he pissed me off for that.
He was not in a restaurant, bar, or stripclub. Pray tell, what CCW law did he "trample like an ape" over?
Zimmerman was given the opportunity and advice to disengage by law enforcement dispatchers to protect his own life, with "assurance" fully certified law enforcement professionals were on the way.

Concealed weapons laws at least in this state do not permit "cowboy" intervening weapons firing when one concealed weapons permit holder might judge he is protecting his community, when none in his community is present. A concealed weapons holder cannot be aggressive in enforcement of elements of law, unless one feels he/she is the best and only one to save himself/herself, or to save others at possible harm.

Zimmerman could have backed out, and gone home. He did not, and his decision brought him one on one with the perp.

And the rest is history.
I do not see it as cowboy intervening. He fired in self defense. Broken nose, head lacerations, etc. I love the "Why didn't he stay in the car" argument. I make the argument, "Why didn't he stay in Virginia".

I do not know what transpired between the termination of the original 911 call and the encounter between TM and GZ. I do understand that TM had ample time and opportunity to head to the place he was staying, and neglected to do so.

Sad case, but I do not equate Zimmerman with Bernie Goetz.

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NB: This is CALIFLA's post, moved here from another folder
J.R. wrote:I know DARKSTAR, SEAGULL, BARON and PAT GRAHAM have all been here at various times during the game. Wish some of you would post instead of just lurking.
Careful, J.R.

You might be disclosing information in your moderator role not all signed up here desire to be shared.

Some might wish to watch Cleveland Indians losing games and real time posts in privacy and anonymity.

Oh wait.....Barack Obama and his administration do seem to approve of tracking personal citizen things, so since he is the President of The United States, I guess it is OK.....after all.


("rim shot," anyone?)

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If anyone scrolls to the bottom of this page, they can see "WHO IS ONLINE"

And if you don't think the government has been tracking citizens long before the current President, or will continue to do so after his term, you are incredibly naive!

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J.R. wrote:If anyone scrolls to the bottom of this page, they can see "WHO IS ONLINE"

And if you don't think the government has been tracking citizens long before the current President, or will continue to do so after his term, you are incredibly naive!
Go to bed, J.R. And dream of your Love of Cleveland Indians Baseball that Mark Shapiro continues to destroy before your eyes.

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http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index. ... er_default


Cleveland's apathetic politics: Brent Larkin



Brent Larkin, The Plain Dealer By Brent Larkin, The Plain Dealer

on August 11, 2013 at 4:17 AM, updated August 12, 2013 at 10:29 AM







In today’s Cleveland, Frank Jackson will barely break a sweat in winning a third term as mayor.

In the old Cleveland - the one that still had a sizable middle class and a large stable of political talent - Jackson would be in a fierce fight for political survival.

That’s not saying a mayor with Jackson’s record, which contains significant strengths, couldn’t be elected 25 or 30 years ago.

But it’s a certainty he’d be in a whole lot more political trouble than right now, running against a sincere but relatively unknown businessman in Ken Lanci.

Jackson has been a responsible fiscal manager. And he’s rightly staked his legacy - and the city’s future - on a plan designed to dramatically improve public education.

But crime, bad schools and troubled neighborhoods wear down the popularity of all big-city mayors, even the good ones.

And in a different Cleveland, this mayor’s problems would have been exacerbated by:

• Attorney General Mike DeWine’s stinging report suggesting a failure of leadership and “systemic failures” in the Police Department played a major role in the chase that resulted in 13 officers firing 137 rounds that killed two people last November.

• A Fire Department scandal that led to the indictment of 13 firefighters.

• Mismanagement of the Water Department so acute that a few years ago Cleveland surely owned one of the worst-run water systems in the country.

Those are legitimate and potentially damning issues for Lanci to raise, but the city’s broken political infrastructure is Jackson’s best friend in this election.

From block clubs to ward clubs, politics used to permeate almost every aspect of city life. Now it’s almost nonexistent. There’s no real competition for City Council seats because there’s little or no interest.

And there’s little or no interest because of Cleveland’s vanishing middle class.

In the decade between 2000 and 2010, Cleveland’s population dropped by nearly 80,000. But the number of residents at or below the federally-defined poverty level actually increased by more than 9,000. In just a decade, that poverty rate jumped from 26 to 34 percent.

Because poverty breeds a sense of hopelessness, it drives down participation in the political process.

“I agree, politics is different now in Cleveland,” said Arnold Pinkney, a consultant to the Jackson campaign and a candidate for mayor in 1971 and 1975. “The middle class has left, more so in the African-American community than the white community.”

In the 1970s, when nearly three-quarters of a million people lived in the city, competitive and crowded elections for mayor and City Council were the rule, not the exception. And as recently as 1989, the campaign for mayor was teeming with political heavyweights. That year’s mayoral primary election included Mike White, George Forbes, Benny Bonanno, Tim Hagan and Ralph Perk Jr.

“If you look at the firepower in the 1989 race, you could arguably say that was the high point of political contests in Cleveland,” said Councilman Jay Westbrook, first elected in 1979.

Of the six longtime veterans of Cleveland politics I spoke with for this piece, all agreed Jackson benefits immeasurably from the decline of political involvement in the city.

“But Frank didn’t create this climate,” said consultant Jerry Austin, who ran Jane Campbell’s two campaigns for mayor. “There’s no Democratic Party structure left in the city. It’s terrible for Cleveland.”

And it’ll be terrible for Lanci unless he figures out a way to energize an electorate into voting against a mayor who has something Lanci lacks - a political base.

Three times in the past 50 years, nontraditional candidates who did not even live in the city have changed their residence and made legitimate, albeit unsuccessful, runs for mayor.

Seth Taft did it in 1967, and businessman James Carney in 1971 and 1973.

Taft brought to his mayoral campaign not only a magic political name, but a 20-year record of involvement in high-profile civic causes.

And Carney had spent years as both a powerful political insider and the city’s most prominent businessman - someone who bankrolled dozens of political campaigns and spent hundreds of millions building downtown office towers and hotels.

Lanci shares Taft and Carney’s residency problem. What he doesn’t share is their history of involvement.

To have a chance, Lanci desperately needs to convince voters he’s a credible alternative.

But he can’t do that if they’re not paying attention.

Brent Larkin was The Plain Dealer's editorial director from 1991 until his retirement in 2009.

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Report: legendary Vietnamese general dies

By Emma Lacey-Bordeaux

updated 1:18 PM EDT, Fri October 4, 2013

(CNN) --

CNN) -- Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, a man credited with major victories against the French and the American military, has died, according to local media reports. Giap was 102.

Giap is credited with the Tet offensive and the siege of Dien Bien Phu.

Born into a family of rice farmers, Giap got involved in politics at an early age. At 18 his politics got him thrown in jail, under suspicion of revolutionary agitation.

He earned a doctorate and students remember him as unusually passionate about military strategy. Theory became reality for Giap in the early 1940s when he joined Ho Chi Minh and battled French colonial forces.

In 1954, Giap led an operation known as the siege of Dien Bien Phu. The battle lasted nearly two months and claimed thousands of lives but at the end, Giap emerged victorious. The French left Vietnam that same year.

When American forces became involved in Vietnam, Giap championed guerrilla tactics, a fighting style that became one of the hallmarks of the conflict.

Giap also planned the Tet offensive against American forces in 1968. The surprise attack targeted dozens of cities in South Vietnam. The U.S. Embassy was briefly overrun. Both sides suffered heavy casualties before the offensive was eventually repulsed. The Tet offensive is thought of as a major turning point in the conflict.
“Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is.”
-- Bob Feller

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Should start using this method in Washington DC.


Kim Jong Un's executed uncle was eaten alive by 120 hungry dogs: report

Rodong Sinmun / Yonhap via Reuters, file


By Eric Baculinao and Alexander Smith, NBC News

BEIJING -- North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's powerful uncle was stripped naked, thrown into a cage, and eaten alive by a pack of ravenous dogs, according to a newspaper with close ties to China's ruling Communist Party.
The report could not be independently confirmed by NBC News on Friday.

The man who was believed to be in charge of training his young nephew to take over was executed as a traitor, indicating a shake-up in Kim Jong Un's regime. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.

Jang Song Thaek, who had been considered Kim's second-in-command, was executed last month after being found guilty of "attempting to overthrow the state," North Korea’s state-run news agency reported.

The official North Korean account on Dec. 12 did not specify how Jang was put to death.
Hong Kong-based pro-Beijing newspaper Wen Wei Po reported that Jang and his five closest aides were set upon by 120 hunting hounds which had been starved for five days.

Kim and his brother Kim Jong Chol supervised the one-hour ordeal along with 300 other officials, according to Wen Wei Po.

The newspaper added that Jang and other aides were "completely eaten up."

The newspaper has acted as a mouthpiece for China's Communist Party. The report may be a sign of the struggle between those in the party who want to remain engaged with North Korea and those who would like to distance themselves from Kim's regime.


The youngest son of Kim Jong Il succeeded his late father in 2011, becoming the third member of his family to rule the unpredictable and reclusive communist state.

Jang was seen by many experts as a regent behind North Korea's Kim dynasty and a key connection between the hermit nation and its ally China.

In the highly scripted execution, North Korea accused him of "attempting to overthrow the state by all sorts of intrigues and despicable methods with a wild ambition to grab the supreme power of our party and state."
Kim's government also accused him of of corruption, womanizing, gambling and taking drugs, and referred to him as "despicable human scum."

Jang was married to Kim's aunt, Kim Kyong Hui, the younger sister of Kim Jong Il.

Alexander Smith reported from London.