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Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:56 am
by civ ollilavad
Terry seems to be an a follower of the One Sentence per paragraph approach to journalism.

Makes a lot of white space.

Makes it easier to write a column of a prescribed number of inches.

But he's a pro, and knows all the angles.

By now.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:26 am
by J.R.
Is he writing for a newspaper?

Or for the internet?

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:01 am
by civ ollilavad
Still with the Plain Dealer, the last I knew.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:41 pm
by Hillbilly
Altman: Cavs still deciding best use for draft pick

September 7, 2017

Sam Amino AmicoHoops.net

INDEPENDENCE, Ohio — When the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Kyrie Irving to the Boston Celtics, they valued more than just the players expected to help right away.

Let us not forget, they also received hope for the future.

It came in the form a first-round draft pick, via the Brooklyn Nets — meaning it’s a pick that could very well fall into the top five of next year’s draft.

“Its an immensely valuable pick,” Cavs general manager Koby Altman told Amico Hoops after the press conference to introduce newcomers Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder and Ante Zizic on Thursday.

How valuable?

Valuable enough that the Cavs haven’t decided what to do with it.

Yes, they could keep it. Yes, they could use it in a trade. No, it isn’t necessary to make that call right now.

In fact, it’s fairly evident Altman and Cavs senior director of basketball operations Brock Aller (who Altman called an important part of “all of our strategies”) are perfectly content to be patient, and see what happens.

“A big thing we really valued when making the trade is the fact that it is unprotected,” Aller told Amico Hoops. “So looking at it, we have the flexibility to trade our own pick, or the pick we received (via the Nets).”

That’s right, after years of not having any first-round picks, the Cavs currently have two in the 2018 draft.

Oh, there’s also a $5.8 million trade exception that arrived courtesy of the Celtics trade. That too can be attached to a deal.

“Exactly, and if you look back, you see we take advantage of opportunities when they present themselves,” Aller said, switching his focus back to the draft.

“Take Kyle Korver for example. We traded a first-round pick for the guy, and he’s turned into a valuable piece for us. So our picks provide us opportunity going into the season, or at the trade deadline, to have a lot of assets at our disposal.”

And hey, the Cavs even got a second-rounder out of the deal (in 2020, via the Miami Heat).

“All of these picks have our scouting staff feeling motivated,” Aller said, smiling. “They’re gonna be looking at picks numbered one all the way to 60 now.”

Thomas is expected to join the Cavs this season, though it has not been made clear when. He is an All-Star, a point guard who averaged 29 points a game last season.

Crowder is ready to go, and gives the Cavs a toughness and grit that may have been lacking a little last season.

And the Cavs have high hopes for Zizic, a rookie big man with a promising set of skills.

But when it comes to finding another piece … well, it will all come down to what happens with that pick from the Nets.

“When we acquired it, we had every intention of keeping it and using it,” Altman told Amico Hoops.

“But I also think we have a responsibility to see to what’s out there. I think there will be tremendous interest. We have a responsibility to listen to calls.”

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Here is an article from last week about Cavs getting calls for pick. ...

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Report: Cavs have fielded trade calls for Nets pick

Reports claim that Cleveland has fielded numerous trade calls about the Nets' 2018 pick.

September 2, 2017

Ashish Mathur

Over the last 48 hours, multiple teams around the NBA have reached out to the Cleveland Cavaliers with interest in trading for the Brooklyn Nets’ 2018 first-round pick — arguably the main gem in the Cavs’ return in the Kyrie Irving trade.

The Nets’ pick is a substantial asset that the Cavs have at their disposal. While general manager Koby Altman hasn’t decided the end goal in regards to what he wants to do with the pick, sitting back and seeing what teams will offer him is likely what is transpiring currently.

Per Cleveland.com:

As owners of Brooklyn’s No. 1 pick, which could be a top-five pick in next year’s draft, Cleveland has fielded numerous calls already about a potential trade. It could be a part of a major trade package for the Cavs later this year, or, conceivably, the Cavs could make that pick next June.

Cleveland also has its own first-round pick in 2018, which it can trade. The Cavs also have multiple trade exceptions and second-round picks, and are pleased with their assets for potential trades or to replenish the roster in the event of a rebuild.


If you’re Altman, something to consider may be calling the New Orleans Pelicans to gauge interest in completing a trade involving star big man DeMarcus Cousins.

Cousins will become a free agent after this year. If he and Anthony Davis can’t get the Pelicans turned around and they struggle to start the season, New Orleans will be tempted to move Boogie out of fear of losing him for nothing in free agency.

Perhaps a package along the lines of Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, Cedi Osman and the Nets’ pick would net Cousins.

As reported earlier on Amico Hoops, the Pelicans are among the teams said to have an interest in Shumpert.

Cleveland.com is also reporting the Cavs will not rush Isaiah Thomas back from his hip injury and the team is optimistic he’ll return to the court in the 2017-18 season and contribute at a high level.

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And here is Osman doing things in Instanbul.

https://twitter.com/FIBA/status/905872906445578244

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:13 am
by TFIR
Isaiah Thomas - G - Cavaliers

Coach Ty Lue said on Thursday that Isaiah Thomas (hip) "is not going to be starting the season."

This was a surprising quote and maybe he misspoke, but this would be massive news. Maybe he meant training camp, maybe he meant preseason, but here we are. General manager Koby Altman said he didn't want to make the press conference about Thomas' hip, so that Lue quote certainly would've changed that.

The Cavs have said they're looking to treat Thomas without surgery, which is the same plan the Celtics had. Expect another update on IT, but fantasy owners can't take him in the early rounds right now.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:15 am
by TFIR
Personally, I figured it was a no brainer it will take time for Isiah to play. Opening night? Never thought that was going to happen.

And don't care if it does. If he plays in December I'll be thrilled and it will have been totally worth the trade.

Remember, he is only signed through the season. So if the Cavs want, they can move on and not worry about his long term health (which is what I totally expect)

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:08 am
by civ ollilavad
"So if the Cavs want, they can move on and not worry about his long term health" Do you mean not include him in their plans for 2017-18? And use Rose and whoever else is on the roster as the point guards this year? Would that team have a chance to win the East over the Irving-led Celtics?

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:17 pm
by TFIR
civ ollilavad wrote:"So if the Cavs want, they can move on and not worry about his long term health" Do you mean not include him in their plans for 2017-18? And use Rose and whoever else is on the roster as the point guards this year? Would that team have a chance to win the East over the Irving-led Celtics?
Oh no civ. What I mean is that they can rest this guy as much as needed this season because the regular season is a joke for the Cavs.

Say he comes back in January. Gives him 3 months (and you know how injuries go, his minutes are micro-managed) to work his way back into form then go all out in the playoffs. From what I have read that is doable.

And speculation is actually that he did play with this injury til he finally had to shut it down - out of gas.

So I think he can be very useful this coming season due to the regular season being a joke for the Cavs. But I also think this is a long term concern AFTER this season so they move on from him after that. (By the way, even healthy, I think they move on from him anyways.)

Jae Crowder, the other guy in this deal, is a great fit for this team. Wing (excellent) defender that shoots 3's.

So a usable Isiah Thomas along with Crowder (yes, and Rose) make the team at least as good as last season.

The regular season?? No one cares!! With the top 8 teams in each conference getting in the regular season for a top team like the Cavs is nothing more than an extended exhibition season.

Last season the Cavs were resting guys other than wanting top record in the conference. Once the playoffs started it meant absolutely nothing. They simply went into Boston and killed them, not even close.

Baseball is the sport that has it right. Due to the playoffs being an exclusive club, there is more incentive for teams to play hard. NBA, NHL have it wrong - scrub teams get in. NFL doesn't count because of so few games period.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:19 pm
by civ ollilavad
Thanks; I have a baseball mentality so overlook the insignificance of the regular season in other sports. I will not worry overmuch about the season. Spend the winter reading some good books and worrying about the Rule 5 draft and Indians Prospect List.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:52 pm
by Hillbilly
TFIR is correct, Cavs do not take regular season seriously at all. LeBron sits out quite a bit to stay fresh for playoffs. (The way Kluber has been looking lately after missing time baseball might want to take notes, seriously) And they simply do not win when he isn't playing. He doesn't care about home court either.

Matter of fact, I cancelled my NBA League Pass subscrption for this year because of this. There was just too many nights last year the Cavs played like they didn't give a damn. A lot of nights was a waste of money. Cavs are a team that are on national television a lot so I will just watch those games this year. They tend to play harder when all eyes are on them.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:05 pm
by TFIR
Good move cancelling that HB.

It was downright annoying watching those glorified exhibition games the Cavs called the regular season last year.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:07 pm
by TFIR
Hillbilly wrote: (The way Kluber has been looking lately after missing time baseball might want to take notes, seriously) And they simply do not win when he isn't playing. He doesn't care about home court either.
With that 10 game DL this year, lots of guys skipped a start or 2 with "injuries".

In Kluber's case he did pitch an obnoxious amount of innings last season, so that large break this season was apparently just the thing he needed.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:11 pm
by Hillbilly
Absolutely. No doubt in my mind it has helped him. And the fact our rotation is far healthier this fall and pitching great will ensure he's not needed as much this postseason. Go with a 4 man rotation all through playoffs. No exceptions. Kluber didn't look like himself in game 7 last year on short rest anyway.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:19 pm
by TFIR
Nope, and neither did Miller at that point of course.4

So this break may also be just the thing for him.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:30 am
by civ ollilavad
As long as no further injuries arise, it should be no problem finding 4 quality starters for the playoffs.