Re: Politics
Posted: Sat May 02, 2020 8:35 pm
Hillbilly,
I get your point that Wisconsin is an open carry state. I know that.
My point is why bring heavily armed protesters to a peaceful rally??
Was that really necessary other than being a prop for Trump?? If that's the case, I get it. I know Trump was watching with unabated interest. I know he gets off on this stuff.
Things could have gotten out of hand very quickly. I caught some footage of the scene from our local CBS affiliate here in Rockford. When they opened the doors to let some of the protesters in out of the rain, they tried to force themselves on to the house floor and had to be restrained by the Michigan State police and the House Sergeant At Arms. One journalist was hit in the head by the butt of a gun but later said she was fine.
That had the makings of a volatile situation. Fortunately, the police handled the situation well and no one was harmed. I was hoping that Trump would make a statement about keeping the guns at home during these protests. If he did, I didn't hear or see it.
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Hillbilly,
The CDC ain't what it used to be. Once again, the 1.7 million to 2.2 million deaths is meaningless in the context that we are discussing. It was a worst case scenario. It was based on the assumption that government and private companies would not engage in any "control measures". We did engage which means less deaths.
We are already at 65,000 deaths and there will be more to come on this first round. My guess is closer to 75,000-80,000 and I hope I am very wrong.
The toll could run even higher if these protesters don't start wearing masks, social distancing, and stop the touching.
100,000 deaths is not a stretch of the imagination in my opinion. These protester are not helping to relieve the concerns of us that are trying to comply with all the restriction. I'm working from home. I'm playing by the rules. I'm trying to keep others safe. I want others to do the same for me. I want to get this thing over with. But my concerns are for the ones who still think the virus is a hoax and they are making it a dangerous situation for all of us that are trying to do the right thing.
If a second wave hits us this winter, well, I don't even want to think about it.
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I just read an article put out by STAT concerning the CDC under Trump and this administration.
[ I apologize for all the highlighting but every line is important and rings true ]
WE NEED THE REAL CDC BACK AND WE NEED IT NOW
By ASHISH K. JHAAPRIL 29, 2020
As political leaders discuss relaxing social distancing restrictions and opening up the economy again, a majority of Americans are concerned about whether it is safe to do so. They have fundamental questions about how the nation is doing, what will happen after it opens up, whether we will be able to keep people safe, and could we have to shut down again.
As we struggle our way through this, an essential element is missing: strong, effective leadership from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the premier public health agency in the world.
Since the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, the CDC has been inexplicably absent, and Americans are suffering and dying for it.
The CDC has long been the steady, trusted source for high-quality national data and evidence-based guidance. But not this time, when its voice is needed the most.
While individual states oversee their public health departments, provision of health care, and actually implement policies and programs, the CDC has always provided the intellectual leadership, technical expertise, the expert guidance that states rely on to do their work. This federal agency coordinates efforts across states so they can learn from one another. And the CDC standardizes data and methods so we can get a true national picture of what is happening.
Want to know how many tuberculosis cases there were in the U.S. last year? Ask the CDC. Want to know about health-care-associated infections? Ask the CDC. It knows.
But ask how many Covid-19 tests have been done, and the CDC’s doesn’t have an answer. Want a daily update on how many people are getting hospitalized for Covid-19? The CDC isn’t tracking it. Want to know if social distancing is making a difference? The CDC doesn’t know.
During this pandemic, when accurate, timely, nationwide information is the lifeblood of our response, the CDC has largely disappeared.
The performance of the world’s leading public health agency has been surprising, and by that I mean surprisingly disappointing. When the outbreak began, the CDC decided to forgo using the World Health Organization’s testing kit for Covid-19 and build its own. The test it shipped out to states was faulty, creating problems that stretched for weeks and slowed response as states waited for replacement tests.
During this critical time, early hot spots like Washington state and New York City were unable to test for the virus. During the inexplicable number of weeks it took to figure out what went wrong, we could have easily adopted the WHO test, which was developed in Germany and is being successfully used in 126 countries around the world. This setback in testing — driven by defects in the CDC’s Covid-19 test and other bottlenecks and regulatory hurdles — is a major contributor to our national lockdown and the fact that thousands of Americans have needlessly died of this virus.
Beyond its testing failure, the CDC has been slow and its response inadequate in another area where it has always excelled: evidence-based guidance. Throughout this pandemic, it has been slow in coming, confusing, and not necessarily evidence-based.
The agency was slow to suggest that we should end large gatherings. As masks for health care workers became scarce, it recommended that health care workers wear bandanas and scarves with zero evidence that these would protect workers from the virus. Investigative reporting has uncovered unclear and disorganized communication to state public health agencies. And the CDC’s restrictive early testing guidelines did not necessarily align with what was understood about disease symptoms and risks at the time.
Americans rely on the CDC for evidence-based guidance. We have not received it.
Effective leadership from the CDC starts with immediately collecting standardized data and updating it regularly — including weekends. Yet for four weeks, the CDC took weekends off from reporting any data on the pandemic until overwhelming criticism forced it to change course. Daily CDC briefings would help the American public understand the data: Not only do we need to know the number of infections, tests, hospitalizations, deaths, and ICU cases, we need CDC experts to put these numbers in context, explain trends and outliers, and keep us grounded in science. Daily updates from the CDC would allow all of us to better understand how we are doing, whether we are likely to run out of hospital capacity and when, what the bottlenecks are on testing, and how we get ahead of this outbreak.
It would be easy for the CDC to do this, but it hasn’t.
Most states are already reporting some of this information every day, though often in haphazard and incomplete ways. The CDC’s natural role is working with states to standardize data collection and reporting it in a way that would make timely, important information publicly available.
It should also commit to providing guidance based solely on evidence, not speculation. If we run out of masks, the CDC should state clearly that going without masks is harmful (as the evidence suggests), not that we should wear makeshift bandanas (for which there is no evidence). Committing to evidence-based guidance would be easy, since it is what the CDC has historically done. And it would be immensely helpful at this moment.
During any public health crisis — especially the largest one of our generation — the nation’s top public health agency needs to provide leadership. That’s what the American people expect and deserve. But so far the CDC has been absent from the fray, and its absence is being felt.
This must be a painful time for the many extraordinary career scientists who continue to work at the agency. But it’s a painful moment for the American people, too, and with deadly consequences. Real CDC leadership — clear, science-based guidance, effective coordination of states, and public transparency of data — is absolutely essential for confronting and getting clear of this crisis.
The CDC was once the world’s greatest public health agency. We need that CDC back, and we need it now.
Ashish K. Jha, M.D., is director of the Harvard Global Health Institute and professor of global health at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/29/we- ... ed-it-now/
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I get your point that Wisconsin is an open carry state. I know that.
My point is why bring heavily armed protesters to a peaceful rally??
Was that really necessary other than being a prop for Trump?? If that's the case, I get it. I know Trump was watching with unabated interest. I know he gets off on this stuff.
Things could have gotten out of hand very quickly. I caught some footage of the scene from our local CBS affiliate here in Rockford. When they opened the doors to let some of the protesters in out of the rain, they tried to force themselves on to the house floor and had to be restrained by the Michigan State police and the House Sergeant At Arms. One journalist was hit in the head by the butt of a gun but later said she was fine.
That had the makings of a volatile situation. Fortunately, the police handled the situation well and no one was harmed. I was hoping that Trump would make a statement about keeping the guns at home during these protests. If he did, I didn't hear or see it.
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Hillbilly,
The CDC ain't what it used to be. Once again, the 1.7 million to 2.2 million deaths is meaningless in the context that we are discussing. It was a worst case scenario. It was based on the assumption that government and private companies would not engage in any "control measures". We did engage which means less deaths.
We are already at 65,000 deaths and there will be more to come on this first round. My guess is closer to 75,000-80,000 and I hope I am very wrong.
The toll could run even higher if these protesters don't start wearing masks, social distancing, and stop the touching.
100,000 deaths is not a stretch of the imagination in my opinion. These protester are not helping to relieve the concerns of us that are trying to comply with all the restriction. I'm working from home. I'm playing by the rules. I'm trying to keep others safe. I want others to do the same for me. I want to get this thing over with. But my concerns are for the ones who still think the virus is a hoax and they are making it a dangerous situation for all of us that are trying to do the right thing.
If a second wave hits us this winter, well, I don't even want to think about it.
<
I just read an article put out by STAT concerning the CDC under Trump and this administration.
[ I apologize for all the highlighting but every line is important and rings true ]
WE NEED THE REAL CDC BACK AND WE NEED IT NOW
By ASHISH K. JHAAPRIL 29, 2020
As political leaders discuss relaxing social distancing restrictions and opening up the economy again, a majority of Americans are concerned about whether it is safe to do so. They have fundamental questions about how the nation is doing, what will happen after it opens up, whether we will be able to keep people safe, and could we have to shut down again.
As we struggle our way through this, an essential element is missing: strong, effective leadership from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the premier public health agency in the world.
Since the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, the CDC has been inexplicably absent, and Americans are suffering and dying for it.
The CDC has long been the steady, trusted source for high-quality national data and evidence-based guidance. But not this time, when its voice is needed the most.
While individual states oversee their public health departments, provision of health care, and actually implement policies and programs, the CDC has always provided the intellectual leadership, technical expertise, the expert guidance that states rely on to do their work. This federal agency coordinates efforts across states so they can learn from one another. And the CDC standardizes data and methods so we can get a true national picture of what is happening.
Want to know how many tuberculosis cases there were in the U.S. last year? Ask the CDC. Want to know about health-care-associated infections? Ask the CDC. It knows.
But ask how many Covid-19 tests have been done, and the CDC’s doesn’t have an answer. Want a daily update on how many people are getting hospitalized for Covid-19? The CDC isn’t tracking it. Want to know if social distancing is making a difference? The CDC doesn’t know.
During this pandemic, when accurate, timely, nationwide information is the lifeblood of our response, the CDC has largely disappeared.
The performance of the world’s leading public health agency has been surprising, and by that I mean surprisingly disappointing. When the outbreak began, the CDC decided to forgo using the World Health Organization’s testing kit for Covid-19 and build its own. The test it shipped out to states was faulty, creating problems that stretched for weeks and slowed response as states waited for replacement tests.
During this critical time, early hot spots like Washington state and New York City were unable to test for the virus. During the inexplicable number of weeks it took to figure out what went wrong, we could have easily adopted the WHO test, which was developed in Germany and is being successfully used in 126 countries around the world. This setback in testing — driven by defects in the CDC’s Covid-19 test and other bottlenecks and regulatory hurdles — is a major contributor to our national lockdown and the fact that thousands of Americans have needlessly died of this virus.
Beyond its testing failure, the CDC has been slow and its response inadequate in another area where it has always excelled: evidence-based guidance. Throughout this pandemic, it has been slow in coming, confusing, and not necessarily evidence-based.
The agency was slow to suggest that we should end large gatherings. As masks for health care workers became scarce, it recommended that health care workers wear bandanas and scarves with zero evidence that these would protect workers from the virus. Investigative reporting has uncovered unclear and disorganized communication to state public health agencies. And the CDC’s restrictive early testing guidelines did not necessarily align with what was understood about disease symptoms and risks at the time.
Americans rely on the CDC for evidence-based guidance. We have not received it.
Effective leadership from the CDC starts with immediately collecting standardized data and updating it regularly — including weekends. Yet for four weeks, the CDC took weekends off from reporting any data on the pandemic until overwhelming criticism forced it to change course. Daily CDC briefings would help the American public understand the data: Not only do we need to know the number of infections, tests, hospitalizations, deaths, and ICU cases, we need CDC experts to put these numbers in context, explain trends and outliers, and keep us grounded in science. Daily updates from the CDC would allow all of us to better understand how we are doing, whether we are likely to run out of hospital capacity and when, what the bottlenecks are on testing, and how we get ahead of this outbreak.
It would be easy for the CDC to do this, but it hasn’t.
Most states are already reporting some of this information every day, though often in haphazard and incomplete ways. The CDC’s natural role is working with states to standardize data collection and reporting it in a way that would make timely, important information publicly available.
It should also commit to providing guidance based solely on evidence, not speculation. If we run out of masks, the CDC should state clearly that going without masks is harmful (as the evidence suggests), not that we should wear makeshift bandanas (for which there is no evidence). Committing to evidence-based guidance would be easy, since it is what the CDC has historically done. And it would be immensely helpful at this moment.
During any public health crisis — especially the largest one of our generation — the nation’s top public health agency needs to provide leadership. That’s what the American people expect and deserve. But so far the CDC has been absent from the fray, and its absence is being felt.
This must be a painful time for the many extraordinary career scientists who continue to work at the agency. But it’s a painful moment for the American people, too, and with deadly consequences. Real CDC leadership — clear, science-based guidance, effective coordination of states, and public transparency of data — is absolutely essential for confronting and getting clear of this crisis.
The CDC was once the world’s greatest public health agency. We need that CDC back, and we need it now.
Ashish K. Jha, M.D., is director of the Harvard Global Health Institute and professor of global health at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/29/we- ... ed-it-now/
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