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Chiz with 2 errors so far. A missed catch on a foul and a weak throw to first.

They are hitting McAllister hard now, back to back doubles, and a single, but a runner was thrown out at the plate. 3-2 now.

Another double! Runners at 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs...

70 pitches for ZachMac already

Wild pitch ties it up.

Another hit, and the Mariners take the lead. What is Terry waiting for???

Mac still pitching, still giving up hits, 105 pitches now. 1st and 3rd, 2 outs, bottom 5th

He ends the inning with a K. I think he's done now!

Well, I read the play by play on majorleaguebaseball.com and wondered what exactly happened on that double play. Could you someone please explain it to those who were fast asleep. in general I think Stubbs' aggressive baserunning has been a plus for us.

CIV:This article describes it well:

Hesitation proves costly in Cleveland Indians' 4-3 loss to Seattle

By Paul Hoynes, The Plain Dealer
on July 24, 2013 at 2:41 AM, updated July 24, 2013 at 10:19 AM


SEATTLE, Wash. -- He who hesitates is lost. If he happens to play for the Indians, he probably can't catch a ground ball either.

After eight innings of quick outs, bad fielding and offensive frustration Tuesday night at Safeco Field, the Indians were finally in position to do something meaningful at the end of a game instead of the beginning.

Swift Drew Stubbs was on third base. Lonnie Chisenhall, who has made four errors in the first five games of this six-game trip, was on first and Yan Gomes was at the plate with no one out and the Tribe down by a run. It was time to at least tie the score, right?

Wrong.

Gomes sent a grounder to third where Kyle Seager grabbed the ball and threw to second to force Chisenhall. Stubbs, as soon as he saw the Mariners had a chance to turn a double play, was supposed to break for home. He did, but he stopped and was caught in a rundown to complete the seldom-seen 5-4-2-6 double play.

Tom Wilhelmsen struck out Michael Bourn to give the Mariners a 4-3 victory, their eighth straight. Wilhelmsen has 23 saves, including two in the last two games against the Tribe.

"Without a doubt, I hesitated and it cost us," said Stubbs. "As soon as he went to second, I should have gone. I think I would have scored."

Mark Reynolds, who seemingly hasn't had a big hit since April, opened the ninth with a single. Stubbs pinch ran and glided to third on Chisenhall's single through the middle. That's where it all started and end for the Indians, 1-4 on this six-game trip through Minnesota and Seattle following the All-Star break.

The loss dropped the Indians to 3 1/2 games behind Detroit in the AL Central. It's the Indians biggest deficit since June 25.

"We can't worry about the Tigers," said Stubbs. "We just have to play our game. If this team plays the way it's capable of doing, we'll be just fine at the end."

The Tribe's four losses on this trip have been by one run. In those four losses, they've scored eight runs.

They've made seven errors, including two by All-Star second baseman Jason Kipnis and one by Nick Swisher at first to go along with Chisenhall's four at third. Not to mention several bobbles by Kipnis.

"We need to win tomorrow (Wednesday) and then get home and get some early work in," said manager Terry Francona. "We're not catching the ball very well."

Regarding Kipnis' defensive yips, Francona said, "He's fighting it and knows it."

As for Chisenhall, Francona said, "Two were grounders, one was a pop up and one was a throw. They're all different. When you stay ahead of the game, I think that's the best way to be a good defender. Not just react, but stay ahead of the game so it doesn't speed up on you."


Zach McAllister can attest to the Indians' defensive struggles. Errors by Kipnis and

Chisenhall forced him to throw 24 pitches in the first inning of his first start since June 2 as he came off the disabled list before Tuesday's game.

McAllister (4-6, 3.57) entered the first with a 1-0 lead thanks to Asdrubal Cabrera's two-out single off Erasmo Ramirez (1-0, 8.71), but Kipnis' two-out error and a tainted double by Seager that Reynolds probably should have handled at first tied the score at 1-1.

Chisenhall made a throwing error in the second as McAllister staggered through the first two innings with 47 pitches.

"It's our jobs as pitchers to pick up the infielders because we knew they're going to pick us up later," said McAllister.

The Indians have scored first in the first five games of this trip, but have just one victory to show for it.

Gomes reclaimed the lead for McAllister, 3-1, with a two-out homer in the second. After Chisenhall singled, Gomes drove a pitch into the second deck in left field for his seventh homer of the season and first since June 5.

McAllister lost the lead and the game in the third as allowed three runs on five hits. Raul Ibanez and hit consecutive doubles to start the rally and cut the Tribe's lead to 3-2.

Kyle Seager followed with the third straight hit of the inning, a single to right, as the bulky Morales tried to score from second. Good relay work by Nick Swisher and Kipnis put the ball in Gomes' glove as Morales slid home. Gomes made Morales alter his slide, but the Mariners' DH seemed to get his feet tangled on the way home as Gomes applied the tag to keep the Indians in front.

McAllister struck out Justin Smoak, but Michael Saunders doubled to tie the score, 3-3. After Saunders moved to third on a McAllister wild pitch, rookie catcher Mike Zunino singled to right for the 4-3 lead.

In Monday's 2-1 victory, Zunino hit the game-winning homer off Ubaldo Jimenez.

Swisher, Michael Brantley and Gomes had leadoff singles in the fifth, sixth and seventh innings. Kipnis hit into a double play in the fifth. Santana hit into a double play in the sixth and reliever Yoervis Medina retired the side in order after Gomes' hit in the seventh.

"It's good we're getting guys on base," said Francona. "But we rolled over into the 4-6-3 double play and that prevented us from keeping the line moving."

McAllister allowed four runs, three earned, on eight hits in five innings. He struck out five, walked three and threw 109 pitches.

"I threw all my pitches, including my curveball, and my finger felt fine," said McAllister.

The Indians put McAllister on the disabled list on June 8 with a sprained right middle finger.

Indians up, 3-1, end of 2nd. ACab error gave the Mariners a run

yea

I caught a bit of yesterday's game in at a Phoenix airport bar while waiting for my connecting flight to Tucson. Just enough to watch Kipnis and Stubbs commit back to back errors. Damn.