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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:05 am
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Santana returning to Guards (sources); Josh Naylor traded to D-backs

By Mandy Bell @MandyBell02

December 21, 2024


Another staple in the Guardians lineup is on the move, but another one is coming home.

First baseman Josh Naylor has been traded to the Diamondbacks in exchange for righty pitcher Slade Cecconi and Arizona’s 2025 Competitive Balance Round B pick, the team announced on Saturday.

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After the trade, the Guardians then signed free-agent first baseman Carlos Santana for a one-year, $12 million contract, sources told MLB.com.

TRADE DETAILS

Guardians acquire: RHP Slade Cecconi, Competitive Balance Round B Draft pick
D-backs acquire: 1B Josh Naylor

The trade isn’t overwhelmingly shocking considering Naylor’s name has popped up in trade rumors all offseason. But the Guardians are trying to make sure that 2025 is even more successful than '24. That means the return has to be enough to offset a potential 30-homer bat.



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At first, that was up in the air when the team had only added Cecconi. He split last season between Triple-A and the Majors. In 20 games (13 starts) with the D-backs, he pitched to a 6.66 ERA with 64 strikeouts and 17 walks in 77 innings. In Triple-A, he owned a 3.06 ERA in 18 games (five starts), ending the season with 9 2/3 hitless innings.

But moments later, the Guardians added a familiar face in Santana. MLB Trade Rumors projected that Naylor would make $12 million in his last year of arbitration this winter. That money went straight to signing free agent Santana.

Santana is entering his 16th Major League season. Eleven of those will be spent with Cleveland. In his previous 10 seasons with the Guardians, Santana hit .251 with an .818 OPS and 216 home runs. Even though he’ll be 39 years old in April, his power hasn’t waned. In each of the last two seasons with the Twins, Brewers and Pirates, Santana hit more than 20 homers.

Naylor has provided depth in the Guardians’ lineup behind José Ramírez for the last few years. He emerged as an All-Star caliber player in '23 with a standout season, hitting .308 with an .842 OPS. His production wasn’t as consistent in '24, but his threat in the lineup played a huge part in Cleveland’s success. Now that will be up to Santana to fill.

Santana will be able to play first base, alongside Kyle Manzardo, who had a strong second trip to the Majors at the end of last season to show he’s ready for the big stage.

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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:15 am
by Uncle Dennis
I often thought of Naylor last year as a Big Papa kind of player. When he was with Minnesota he was OK but when he went to Boston he was great. Who did the Twins get for Ortez, or was that a free agent move.
I don't think I will miss him.

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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 11:07 am
by buck84
Arizona's pitching in general was a mess last year and the pitching coach was fired

Here is an article on what needs to change, Maybe the Guardians can help Cecconi's fastball shape --

The charts are interesting but do not copy so here is a link https://www.azsnakepit.com/2024/10/8/24 ... s-pitching

A New Plan for Diamondbacks Pitching
It could arrive with the new pitching coach.

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Background and Inspiration.
In the last few seasons, the Diamondbacks changed what type of pitcher they acquired. Often, their pitching acquisitions could be described by three metrics, which I presented many times. Those metrics were:

Whiffs/pitch greater than 13%.
Strikeouts per batter faced greater than 25%
Balls-in-play less than 26.5% of strikes thrown.
Perhaps a new emphasis will be placed on induced vertical break on four-seam fastballs. My enthusiasm for the idea was ignited by the first line in an article, “The Red Sox, you might have heard, have largely stopped throwing fastballs,…” Although they did NOT stop throwing fastballs, they threw less fastballs and the ones they threw were better (more vertical movement compared to the movement caused by gravity).

What would a Diamondbacks plan look like? The Red Sox, despite their pitching changes, did not come close to the playoffs. Certainly, the Diamondbacks plan would be different. A simple approach follows. For pitchers who have high velocity AND above average induced vertical break on their four-seam fastballs, their message would be well done and keep going that direction. For pitchers who lack those characteristics AND who frequently throw four-seam fastballs (some Diamondbacks pitchers do not throw many four-seam fastballs), the message would be either increase your induced vertical break, or pitch less of them.

If a new emphasis happens, my writing will often include a new metric: induced vertical break.

Two Assumptions.
The Diamondbacks like having different types of pitchers; and they will NOT attempt to change every pitcher. Instead, those who allow the most home runs and most hits will be their focus.


The Diamondbacks will implement two approaches: one approach for starting pitchers and one approach for relief pitchers. The data led me to conclude that that most important factor was different for the two types of pitchers.

Dividing pitchers into two groups: those to leave alone and those to change.
Because we are looking at induced vertical break, the first group to leave alone are those who were above-average in that measure: Nelson, McGough, Vieira, Mena, Gallen, and Allen.

The next group to think about carefully, and likely leave alone are those with an above-average ERA last season. That adds the following names: Diaz, Ginkel, Jarvis, Kelly, Mantiply, Martinez, Puk, and Thompson.

Let’s look at the remaining pitchers. For each pitcher, their percentage of fastball pitches was compared to their percentage of homers and hits that happened on fastball pitches. That comparison resulted in two groups of pitchers. One group had fewer homers and one group had more homers. Those two groups are shown in the following two tables.


2024 Season. The remaining pitchers whose 4-seam fastballs are not an obvious problem. Data from Baseball Savant.
One conclusion is that better four-seam fastballs may not fix every pitcher, such as Jordan Montgomery. Perhaps some pitchers in the first table can improve in a manner not related to induced vertical break.


2024 Season. Remaining pitchers who could benefit from better 4-seam fastballs. Data from Basebal Savant.
Perhaps pitchers in the second table could benefit from an increased induced vertical break in their 4-seam fastballs.

Relief Pitchers.
To my surprise, something impacted relief pitcher ERA more than induced vertical break. The following table shows that for relief pitchers who throw four-seam fastballs, pitch velocity had a big impact. The impact is shown in the following scatterplot.


2024 Season. Velocity in MPH. Data from Baseball Savant.
The plot indicates when the average velocity falls below a critical speed, the pitcher’s ERA rises quickly.

Starting Pitchers.
For starting pitchers who throw four-seam fastballs, induced vertical break impacted ERA. The impact is shown in the following scatterplot.


2024 Season. IVB in inches. Data from Baseball Savant.
Small changes may be better than big changes.
When comparing 2024 to 2023, starting pitchers who either made a 10% reduction in their percentage of four-seam fastballs, or made any increase in their percentage of four-seam fastballs, had higher ERA than those who did not change (the one exception was Cecconi who made a small 4% reduction and yet had a high ERA). My conclusion is that doing any change except a relatively small reduction in four-seam fastballs worsens the pitcher’s performance. Details are in the following graph.


2024 Season. Data from Baseball Savant.
Which two pitchers had elite IVB?
A hypothesis is that a combination of high velocity and high induced vertical break results in elite pitching. The following chart shows two characteristics of the Diamondbacks pitchers’ four-seam fastballs. Going from left to right, you see three increasing levels of induced vertical break (IVB). Going from bottom to top, you see three increasing levels of velocity.


2024 Season. Data from Baseball Savant.
Interestingly, there were no Diamondbacks pitchers in the middle square. Perhaps that can be explained that instead of being middle of the spectrum for every aspect, a path to success is more often found in excelling in one or more aspects.

Summary.
A new plan for Diamondbacks pitching could focus on induced vertical break for four-seam fastballs.

After excluding pitchers with above-average induced vertical break and excluding pitchers with better-than-average ERAs, the remaining pitchers could be divided into two groups - those to leave alone and those who could benefit from better induced vertical break.

For relief pitchers, average velocity of four-seam fastballs impacted their ERA.

For starting pitchers, induced vertical break impacted their ERA.

Small changes in percentage of four-seam fastballs may be better than large changes.

Last season, two Diamondbacks pitchers had elite induced vertical break - Ryne Nelson and Scott McGough.

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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:00 pm
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New Guardians 1B Compared Favorably To Departing Slugger In 2024


December 22, 2024

By Andres Chavez


The Cleveland Guardians traded first baseman Josh Naylor on Saturday night.

They sent him to the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for young pitcher Slade Cecconi and a high draft pick.

Then, a few minutes later, they announced that they were signing first baseman Carlos Santana to a one-year deal worth a similar salary to the one Naylor was projected to make in his last season of team control.

Over the last three years, Naylor made a sizable impact with the Guardians, particularly at the dish.

His OPS finishes of .842 and .776 in the last two seasons were impressive and gave the lineup some punch.

This past season, he also stayed healthy for the most part and hit 31 home runs with 108 RBI.Many fans are mad because they think the front office made a lateral move or somehow got worse.

But the numbers say otherwise.

“2024 fWAR: Carlos Santana: 3.0, Josh Naylor: 2.3,” Guardians of the Land posted on X.

fWAR is FanGraphs’ version of WAR, or Wins Above Replacement.

It means that the 38-year-old Santana contributed more to his team, the Minnesota Twins, than Naylor to Cleveland.

On top of the difference in value, the Guardians gained a pitching prospect and a valuable draft pick.

Yes, they assume some decline risk by taking on a player who will be 39 next year, but if his recent performance is any indication, Santana should be just fine on a one-year deal.

He will be a perfect mentor to Kyle Manzardo, Jhonkensy Noel and other first base options.

Overall, it was a good series of moves by president of baseball operations Chris Antonetti.

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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:06 pm
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Guardians Fail Miserably in Disheartening Josh Naylor Trade

The Cleveland Guardians traded Josh Naylor to the Arizona Diamondbacks for a rather skimpy return, which makes you wonder exactly what they were thinking.

Matthew Schmidt | 5 Hours Ago

The Cleveland Guardians have officially said goodbye to first baseman Josh Naylor, trading him to the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for pitcher Slade Cecconi.

It's no surprise that the Guardians traded Naylor. Rumors swirled about Naylor's availability since the beginning of the offseason, as the 27-year-old is set to hit free agency after next season.

Cleveland's modus operand is to keep low payrolls and not sign players to long-term deals. With the exception of Jose Ramirez, the Guardians have mostly held true to that mantra.

But typically, Cleveland manages to land good returns in the deals it makes.

This time, however, the Guardians' haul was, uh, lackluster, to say the least.

Cecconi is 25 years old and made 20 appearances and 13 starts for the Diamondbacks in 2024. He went 2-7 with a 6.66 ERA (how's that for a bad omen?) while allowing 92 hits and registering just 64 strikeouts ove 77 innings of work.

He posted a 5.02 FIP, surrendered 16 home runs and logged a 1.416 WHIP.

There was absolutely nothing impressive about Cecconi's numbers this past year, whether it be from a traditional or peripheral perspective.

To make matters worse, the Oviedo, Fl. native has not exactly been stellar in the minor leagues either, as he lays claim to a lifetime 4.73 ERA in the minors.

So what exactly about Cecconi convinced the Guardians to trade Naylor for him? Heck, Cleveland managed to get a better return for Spencer Horwitz than it got for Naylor.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Let's put aside the fact that the Guardians just traded one of their best hitters immediately after making it to the ALCS for a minute. You're saying no one was willing to give them a better package than this? For an All-Star who just hit 31 home runs with 108 RBI?

I get that Cleveland instantly reunited with Carlos Santana to man first base after moving Naylor. So, yes: the Guardians found his replacement. But it was only on a one-year deal. Why didn't they just give Naylor one more season if they were going to trade him for virtually nothing anyway?

Maybe Cecconi will find his way in Cleveland and establish himself as a legitimate piece. We've seen the Guardians work wonders with pitchers before.

But you just can't help but feel that Cleveland dropped the ball here.

Guardians fans certainly aren't shocked that the Guardians dealt Naylor. They were surely bracing for it since they were eliminated from the playoffs. But they almost definitely expected a better return.

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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:10 pm
by joez
I have to admit that I am also very confused. In light of the Luzardo news, why would we trade trade Naylor for next to nothing? We trade Naylor for Cecconi but pass on an valuable asset like Luzardo (and under team control for 2 years). Who knows when or even if Cecconi will make a serviceable starter here. You have Luzardo with the experience and could have been a #1 or #2 starter on this staff. It really doesn't make much sense. I can't believe that we could not top the Phillies prospect offer. I can't believe that Cecconi is the best we could do for Naylor.

This brings me to my next question. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:22 pm
by rusty2
Luzardo has been injured and not that good when healthy. What did he get traded for ? Very little.

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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:49 pm
by joez
That's my point. Very little.
Low risk, high reward.
Two years under management control
Perfect conditions for this organization.
Luzardo would have been the perfect bridge to Bieber and hopefully beyond.
I think they just blew it on this one.

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